They don’t care about the rituals and binding together, but if you act a certain way and thumb your nose to the higher ups, you’ll get quashed all the same. “Yeah but they’ll kill you for no reason.” You’re asexual? Hell yeah me too brother, haven’t felt a thing below the waist in 40 years. You’re gay? Cool, you still kick ass though right? You’re trans? I got a favor I can pull with the Tzim bishop if you want some titty off the top.
Meanwhile the Sabbat doesn’t give a shit. but it’s more likely that since the 3 major clans of the Camarilla recruit from the upper echelons of leadership, culture, and learning, it’s more likely they’d be the ones punching down. The local Cam COULD be a haven for turned LGBTQ peoples. And for a very long time it was NOT ok to be out. Yeah I know LGBTQ people always existed, but like women in America couldn’t functionally exist without a man in those times. T h i n k about the values and ideals that person would hold, on average.
most active members in a city are 25-200 years old. Like with the Camarilla, one aspect that gets brushed over is that. The Sabbat innately appeals to me because of their diversity, chaos, but also inclusiveness.
